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		<title>Comment on Party Identification, Party Registration, and “Unaffiliated” Voters by L M Jennings</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2012/12/party-identification-party-registration-and-unaffiliated-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-6817</link>
		<dc:creator>L M Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Presenting your data as percentages is good! However, including the number of registered and non-registered people would make you analysis much more useful.
I hope you&#039;ll consider updating your posting with this information.
Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presenting your data as percentages is good! However, including the number of registered and non-registered people would make you analysis much more useful.<br />
I hope you&#8217;ll consider updating your posting with this information.<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the future of the Republican nominating system? by FairElectionsUtah</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/04/what-is-the-future-of-the-republican-nominating-system/comment-page-1/#comment-6816</link>
		<dc:creator>FairElectionsUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of the propose changes will gut a the current system and then we will have a system that will protect the incumbent, wealthy and famous. According to your survey about 25% might want to choose that.  The other 75% will choice Fair Elections. 

You didn&#039;t mention to your 500 people that completed the survey that someone can already get signatures and be directly on the general election ballot, provided they file that way during the filing period. The only way someone currently can lose a party nomination and be voted on in the fall is by a write-in ballot. That worked in Alaska. 

Neither Gov. Walker or Sen. Bennett, both of who were not even in the top 2 at convention, chose that route. Sen. Bennett endorsed the delegate favorite, Tim Bridgewater, who had 57% of the convention on the final vote. Tim lost in the primary, even with the endorsement of the other large delegate vote getters, Bob Bennett and Cherilyn Eagar.  The voters were so ticked at Tarp and ObamaCare, they didn&#039;t care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the propose changes will gut a the current system and then we will have a system that will protect the incumbent, wealthy and famous. According to your survey about 25% might want to choose that.  The other 75% will choice Fair Elections. </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t mention to your 500 people that completed the survey that someone can already get signatures and be directly on the general election ballot, provided they file that way during the filing period. The only way someone currently can lose a party nomination and be voted on in the fall is by a write-in ballot. That worked in Alaska. </p>
<p>Neither Gov. Walker or Sen. Bennett, both of who were not even in the top 2 at convention, chose that route. Sen. Bennett endorsed the delegate favorite, Tim Bridgewater, who had 57% of the convention on the final vote. Tim lost in the primary, even with the endorsement of the other large delegate vote getters, Bob Bennett and Cherilyn Eagar.  The voters were so ticked at Tarp and ObamaCare, they didn&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the future of the Republican nominating system? by Adam Brown</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/04/what-is-the-future-of-the-republican-nominating-system/comment-page-1/#comment-6814</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say: &quot;If you are going to run as a democratic candidate, you have to comply with their rules. If you are going to run as a republican, you have to comply with their rules.&quot;

You&#039;ve written &lt;a href=&quot;http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/01/background-research-on-utahs-caucus-convention-system/comment-page-1/#comment-4478&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this same comment before&lt;/a&gt;. I don&#039;t understand it, though. We&#039;re not talking about running for party chair, precinct captain, or some other party office. We&#039;re talking about having your name printed at taxpayer expense on a state-printed general election ballot.

You say: &quot;If we have more primaries, we are apt to have more last minute attack pieces and more ethics problems.&quot; You&#039;re suggesting that elections are inherently bad, so we should take actions to reduce how many elections are contested? I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;m not straw manning you here, but forgive me if I misunderstood. Assuming I understood your point correctly, though, I think I&#039;ll side with Madison here (Federalist 52) that frequent, contested elections are actually a healthy thing for representation.

You say: &quot;and is even an attempt to change the law bypassing the legislature.&quot; That&#039;s not a bad thing. Although the federal government is entirely representative, not direct, the Utah Constitution explicitly declares that the people of the state hold legislative authority. Article VI, Section 1, of the Utah Constitution: &quot;The Legislative power of the State shall be vested in [the Legislature] and the people of the State of Utah [via direct democracy].&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say: &#8220;If you are going to run as a democratic candidate, you have to comply with their rules. If you are going to run as a republican, you have to comply with their rules.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve written <a href="http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/01/background-research-on-utahs-caucus-convention-system/comment-page-1/#comment-4478" rel="nofollow">this same comment before</a>. I don&#8217;t understand it, though. We&#8217;re not talking about running for party chair, precinct captain, or some other party office. We&#8217;re talking about having your name printed at taxpayer expense on a state-printed general election ballot.</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;If we have more primaries, we are apt to have more last minute attack pieces and more ethics problems.&#8221; You&#8217;re suggesting that elections are inherently bad, so we should take actions to reduce how many elections are contested? I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;m not straw manning you here, but forgive me if I misunderstood. Assuming I understood your point correctly, though, I think I&#8217;ll side with Madison here (Federalist 52) that frequent, contested elections are actually a healthy thing for representation.</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;and is even an attempt to change the law bypassing the legislature.&#8221; That&#8217;s not a bad thing. Although the federal government is entirely representative, not direct, the Utah Constitution explicitly declares that the people of the state hold legislative authority. Article VI, Section 1, of the Utah Constitution: &#8220;The Legislative power of the State shall be vested in [the Legislature] and the people of the State of Utah [via direct democracy].&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the future of the Republican nominating system? by FairElectionsUtah</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/04/what-is-the-future-of-the-republican-nominating-system/comment-page-1/#comment-6813</link>
		<dc:creator>FairElectionsUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are going to run as a democratic candidate, you have to comply with their rules. If you are going to run as a republican, you have to comply with their rules. If you want to run and not have those rules, you can run as an unaffiliated or independent, or run as a 3rd party candidate. This &quot;Count My Vote initiative is an attempt to change the party rules by state law, bypassing the party and is even an attempt to change the law bypassing the legislature. 

It doesn&#039;t mean things can&#039;t be better, but this isn&#039;t the way to do it.

 We already have a large percentage of contested races go to primary. If we have more primaries, we are apt to have more last minute attack pieces and more ethics problems. There will also be a need for more political donations raised for the more expensive races. We don&#039;t need to provide more power to the lobbyists.

Based on the party released sheets since 2000 for state wide races or congressional races, At a 60% threshold to avoid a primary, 47% of contested races went to primary. If at 2/3 threshold to avoid a primary, 67% of contested races went to primary and at  70% threshold to avoid a primary, 70% of the races went to primary. The last 2 numbers do not have to match, but they ended up doing so. 

They tracked 44 races of 45 races, 14 of which were not contested for the nominee. I realize it is only 6 or 7 contested races difference, but when you are looking at 30 contested races, a change of 6 is 20%.

http://images.electionemail.com/client_id_10842/Convention_Election_History_page_1.pdf 

http://images.electionemail.com/client_id_10842/Convention_Election_History_Page_2.pdf

The proposal from the &quot;Count My Vote / Buy My Vote&quot; crowd wasn&#039;t just to raise the threshold to avoid a primary. It was to also remove multi-round voting or IRV and send all candidates that hit the lower range to the primary if someone didn&#039;t hit the higher range on the only vote. With that proposal, why raise the range at all?

While his is proposing to gut the system, Mr. Webb has this to say:
&quot;The current caucus/convention nominating process has many excellent qualities that we wish to retain. The system allows candidates who lack fame, wealth, and incumbency to compete for a party’s nomination. We also appreciate the valuable grassroots nature of the process, with neighbors gathering to discuss political issues and candidates. &quot;

 We have a system that that does NOT favor the incumbent, wealthy or famous. This is a good thing. Lets keep it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to run as a democratic candidate, you have to comply with their rules. If you are going to run as a republican, you have to comply with their rules. If you want to run and not have those rules, you can run as an unaffiliated or independent, or run as a 3rd party candidate. This &#8220;Count My Vote initiative is an attempt to change the party rules by state law, bypassing the party and is even an attempt to change the law bypassing the legislature. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean things can&#8217;t be better, but this isn&#8217;t the way to do it.</p>
<p> We already have a large percentage of contested races go to primary. If we have more primaries, we are apt to have more last minute attack pieces and more ethics problems. There will also be a need for more political donations raised for the more expensive races. We don&#8217;t need to provide more power to the lobbyists.</p>
<p>Based on the party released sheets since 2000 for state wide races or congressional races, At a 60% threshold to avoid a primary, 47% of contested races went to primary. If at 2/3 threshold to avoid a primary, 67% of contested races went to primary and at  70% threshold to avoid a primary, 70% of the races went to primary. The last 2 numbers do not have to match, but they ended up doing so. </p>
<p>They tracked 44 races of 45 races, 14 of which were not contested for the nominee. I realize it is only 6 or 7 contested races difference, but when you are looking at 30 contested races, a change of 6 is 20%.</p>
<p><a href="http://images.electionemail.com/client_id_10842/Convention_Election_History_page_1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://images.electionemail.com/client_id_10842/Convention_Election_History_page_1.pdf</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://images.electionemail.com/client_id_10842/Convention_Election_History_Page_2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://images.electionemail.com/client_id_10842/Convention_Election_History_Page_2.pdf</a></p>
<p>The proposal from the &#8220;Count My Vote / Buy My Vote&#8221; crowd wasn&#8217;t just to raise the threshold to avoid a primary. It was to also remove multi-round voting or IRV and send all candidates that hit the lower range to the primary if someone didn&#8217;t hit the higher range on the only vote. With that proposal, why raise the range at all?</p>
<p>While his is proposing to gut the system, Mr. Webb has this to say:<br />
&#8220;The current caucus/convention nominating process has many excellent qualities that we wish to retain. The system allows candidates who lack fame, wealth, and incumbency to compete for a party’s nomination. We also appreciate the valuable grassroots nature of the process, with neighbors gathering to discuss political issues and candidates. &#8221;</p>
<p> We have a system that that does NOT favor the incumbent, wealthy or famous. This is a good thing. Lets keep it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recap: Looking back at the 2013 Utah Legislature by Davis Didjeridu</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/03/recap-looking-back-at-the-2013-utah-legislature/comment-page-1/#comment-6644</link>
		<dc:creator>Davis Didjeridu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could I make suggestion for future study?  How much money do Utah legislators request in their sponsored bills?  Who requests the most?  What is the biggest request?  What&#039;s the average request?  Is there a difference between the average Democratic and Republican total requests?
I suppose the easiest way to find this is to go through fiscal notes, but if there is another way, I would be interested in knowing that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could I make suggestion for future study?  How much money do Utah legislators request in their sponsored bills?  Who requests the most?  What is the biggest request?  What&#8217;s the average request?  Is there a difference between the average Democratic and Republican total requests?<br />
I suppose the easiest way to find this is to go through fiscal notes, but if there is another way, I would be interested in knowing that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who missed the most votes in 2013? by Adam Brown</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/03/who-missed-the-most-votes-in-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-6367</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it was a typo. Thank you. It&#039;s fixed now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it was a typo. Thank you. It&#8217;s fixed now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who missed the most votes in 2013? by Sara Thomas</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/03/who-missed-the-most-votes-in-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-6366</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure it was just a typo, but it should be noted that the legislature passed 524 bills in the 2013 session, not 624.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure it was just a typo, but it should be noted that the legislature passed 524 bills in the 2013 session, not 624.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who ran the most bills in the 2013 Legislature? by Margaret Dayton</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2013/03/who-ran-the-most-bills-in-the-2013-legislature/comment-page-1/#comment-6332</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Dayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 05:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this interesting data collection.  Some evaluations are not completely accurate, however, just because of the nature of legislation.  Example: 3 of my bills that were technically not listed as passed bills, did however, pass.  One was added to one of Sen Valentine&#039;s bill as an amendment.  One was so similar to Sen Stephenson&#039;s education bill that we combined bills - and he carried it since he is on the Education Cmte.  One bill did not need legislation afterall as its purpose was accomplished through the appropriations process.  Just some sideline info - fyi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this interesting data collection.  Some evaluations are not completely accurate, however, just because of the nature of legislation.  Example: 3 of my bills that were technically not listed as passed bills, did however, pass.  One was added to one of Sen Valentine&#8217;s bill as an amendment.  One was so similar to Sen Stephenson&#8217;s education bill that we combined bills &#8211; and he carried it since he is on the Education Cmte.  One bill did not need legislation afterall as its purpose was accomplished through the appropriations process.  Just some sideline info &#8211; fyi.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who missed the most votes in 2013? by Jay Blain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Blain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a note that 5 of the top 6 in the House listed in this post were members of the Rules Committee and probably missed for that reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note that 5 of the top 6 in the House listed in this post were members of the Rules Committee and probably missed for that reason.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lots of freshmen in the Utah House? by Adam Brown</title>
		<link>http://utahdatapoints.com/2012/11/lots-of-freshmen-in-the-utah-house/comment-page-1/#comment-5904</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, these are the incumbents who lost:

Fred Cox (R) and Janice Fisher (D) were drawn into the same district. Cox lost to Fisher in November.

Butterfield (R), Daw (R), Doughty (D), Hendrickson (D), Newbold (R), and Wright (R) failed to win renomination.

Watkins (D) lost to a general election challenger in November.

Wimmer (R), Sandstrom (R), and Herrod (R) left to run for Congress. Sumsion (R) ran for governor. Dougall (R) ran for state auditor. (Only Dougall was successful from this bunch.)

Frank (R), Vickers (R), Painter (R), and Harper (R) left the House to run for state Senate. Vickers and Harper were successful.

Litvack (D) and Kiser (R) chose to retire rather than run after being drawn into districts together with fellow incumbents from their own respective parties.

Morley (R) chose to retire from legislative service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, these are the incumbents who lost:</p>
<p>Fred Cox (R) and Janice Fisher (D) were drawn into the same district. Cox lost to Fisher in November.</p>
<p>Butterfield (R), Daw (R), Doughty (D), Hendrickson (D), Newbold (R), and Wright (R) failed to win renomination.</p>
<p>Watkins (D) lost to a general election challenger in November.</p>
<p>Wimmer (R), Sandstrom (R), and Herrod (R) left to run for Congress. Sumsion (R) ran for governor. Dougall (R) ran for state auditor. (Only Dougall was successful from this bunch.)</p>
<p>Frank (R), Vickers (R), Painter (R), and Harper (R) left the House to run for state Senate. Vickers and Harper were successful.</p>
<p>Litvack (D) and Kiser (R) chose to retire rather than run after being drawn into districts together with fellow incumbents from their own respective parties.</p>
<p>Morley (R) chose to retire from legislative service.</p>
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